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Posted at June 29, 2015, 4:21 pm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Ask%2C_Don%27t_Tell

Any thoughts on this policy?

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Replies:

I can completely understand that the army doesn't want sexual relation...

i think most flambouyant gay people would never join the military anyw...

True, though women are obtaining a more prominent role in the military...

Men/Women bunk seperately, bath seperate, and usually operate seperate...

Anyone who can attain the required entrance standards for the military...

with the men.

It's pretty simple, the common foot soldier doesn't want to trust a ga...

Hahahahaha.

It's true.

that's only becuase they see the gay man on tv and have never met a ga...

Listen, I wouldn't care if there was a gay guy serving next to me in b...

Erm.

Pretty much what the attractive muffin said.

wait.

oh don't be thilly

Trust goes a long way in the armed forced.

not if they gave free blowjobs after breakfast edit: the real issue h...

Well yeah, but I don't think that that's any reason to keep them out ...

before coheneran posts it.

Everyone loves Bill Hicks.

oh i sure do, those were hard times.

And how.

There's a huge difference here, this is their life were talking about.

Quoted.

Again, I find it hard to believe that if they lived together, trained ...

Don't Ask, Don't Tell is a nugget of pure Pentagon genius.

So I guess all of our armed forces are a bunch of retards, eh?

I always have words for recruiters at my school.

what reasonable reason would you have to not trust a gay man?

Because the average guy doesn't see a gay man as true fighting materia...

Me? None if I knew the guy well enough.

Basically, I think it all comes down to the power of sex.

that's because the average man is an ignorant hate-mongerer when it co...

Pretty much.

Which will never change really, it's male nature.

Which seems to make sence, guys don't like to see weakness amongst the...

orly i'm a male and i have no problems with gay people.

A lot of young men need to prove they are not gay.

The vast male majority.

No.

The idea that men cannot escape basic masculine instincts and accept o...

it's because most of them are closet fags but are too afraid to admit ...

Why is it? Men are naturally masculine.

That just brings a whole new debate to the table: What is it to be ma...

because saying you're dictated by what's "natural" is a self...

There's a rather large difference between masculinity and bigotry.

idk maybe because our instict to kill is something that should probabl...

So your saying because the male sex is built like we are it's a bad th...

Are you saying that gay people have "changed themselves".

the male sex has a lot of testosterone.

I would hope I made that pretty clear.

I'm pretty sure guys don't wake up and just decide to be homosexual, a...

... NAILED!

You didn't really, I thought you were saying people changed to become ...

Uh? Men aren't made to be killing machines.

I would say they do.

Maybe but you can't choose what gives you an erection or not.

If you actually think the you could wake up tomorrow and decide to be ...

So that would mean it was a choice for straight men to like women righ...

no it's not.

Damn your good.

Are you seriuosly saying that youget an erection from looking at pictu...

no, you just have supressed homosexual fantasies did you choose to wa...

No seriously, if you actually think it's as simple as choosing which g...

You constantly attack me, why? My art class is full of them, one of...

what

The last line, not paragraph, sorry if that wasn't clear.

So you like Ben Affleck because he has an effiminate body?

I don't think it's all that unnatural for men to find things about oth...

no you didn't.

pretty much.

some prison inmates choose to be gay but apparently you have to be hu...

Is that not a choice?

I'm not even going to bother to try and pierce the little fantasy bubb...

Man I've already explained this to you last time you brought the fact ...

could I have a decent logical response please? oh and FYI, using ret...

That's only one determining factor in my eyes.

I would agree with that.

REPRESSION =/= THE CEASING OF BEING HOMOSEXUAL You're friend probably...

or if being gay is actually genetic, he is procreating with a female a...

Damn, that's a bitch.

Men and women go into the military for various reasons.

But what is the main JOB of the military? is it not to be a soldier? ...

Joining the army and joing the, say, national guard, are pretty differ...

Being a soldier does not entail killing, persay.

they wouldn't be killing you, because these days the only wars the uni...

To elaborate on that, there are many other things you can do in the mi...

It doesn't matter if we are on the offensive.

that does not change the fact that they are not there to protect anyth...

Invading a country is not the only act of aggression that a country ca...

I knew you would say that, what about the engineering core?

Why would someone join into the army just to shoot/be shot at using le...

They save their own civilians.

And?

I have no problem with that.

That's what they enlist for though, to protect their country and cou...

Who says they do not get a emotional fulfillment? Are you a soldier? H...

Engineers are soldiers.

and what? there's not much else to say.

There is nothing wrong with teaching people how to defend themselves.

You have clearly never met or known a soldier.

Exactly.

not from what the engineering corps website says.

missed that one, my bad.

Every single branch of the military goes through combat training and h...

then I guess I lost all respect for their career choice too.

Is America's economy not worth protecting? If that is gone, is Americ...

Do you dislike policemen?

That's an opinion.

if america's economy collapsed, then the major western greed and such ...

So you have no problem with terrorists killing people then.

I don't dislike people, I dislike their career choices.

I am not okay with anyone killing anyone, and I never said that I side...

Oh my, you poor misguided soul.

Umm, they tell people what to do when people need to be told what to d...

Honestly? name one country more full of greed than america.

How can you call America greedy, when it is the largest doner of money...

could you please stop telling me what I think and what I believe? ...

they give it away so they can take twice as much back through faulty t...

Without America, the world would be a far worse place.

it depends on what sort of "worse" you are talking about.

Without America we'd all be waiting in bread lines or being gulag'd

what about bread lines IN a gulag?

Not likely.

okay let me put it this way.

there would be no international relations at all there would be the U...

How? If it weren't for America's pressure, wouldn't the greater half o...

America basically set up the taliban, but then they turned on them Al...

No America = millions go hungry.

I'm sure they would have found other places to do those 3 things.

Errr Israel?

thats an entirely different subject right there, that I don't really w...

Yeah and then you would just have the mass slaughter of Israelies, but...

yeah, I didn't really want to get into it here.

Good night bro, and nice discussing this with you.

Yes required i agree.

so what's your point? if you could choose who you wanted to be attract...

Hmm.

How many of the people that the US military have killed in Iraq do you...

The only real positive to Don't Ask/Don't Tell is that it protects gay...

The whole point as I see it is to protect the heterosexually impaired ...

Most of these people have no means to attack you anyway, it's up to th...

I can't help but be reminded of "out of sight, out of mind" ...

yeah it is and you can admit it it would be a communist hellhole

I have a cousin who is an officer in the Army and does a great job of ...

I totally agree.

"heterosexually impaired".

I have a gay friend who's in the military.

How about pedophiles? Nobody has any business bringing their sexual...

Why exclude from from the military? They're not excluded from the chur...

Hahaha, they're welcomed with open arms.

This would be a fine point.

My brother's in the Royal Navy and two of the most popular and compete...

It still creates awkward situations.

There's far more lesbians on ship than gay men too.

That's basically a given with females in the military.

Yeah, you have a point.

That's because most societies have been patriarchal and men tend to fi...

Of course you train to serve your country.

The people making it an issue are the ones who want to have open homos...

The problem isn't how smoothly the system is running, it's how many hu...

You don't join the military to protect your human rights.

A few things.

Well since you already conceded joining the military isn't a right, th...

Joining the military is a right all U.

You have to meet minimum fitness, intellectual, moral etc.

Make their sexuality an issue? It wouldn't be an issue in the first pl...

If they were actively seeking to expel closeted gays, then I could see...

Wow.

It's the truth--America thrives on traditional families.

Britain and Spain have legalised civil partnerships for homosexuals.

This.

[quote=Med57]Well, there's the case of Barry Winchell who was murdered...

This is so silly, just cause a man is gay doesnt mean hes going to be ...

The Earth is a rather populated place, as luck would have it.

Spain hasn't been notably what? And civil partnerships in Britain were...

Fransisco Franco and Juan Carlos beg to differ.

Serenity, since you approve of the policy, in the interests of equalit...

so would you advocate not allowing certain races into the military? Or...

I think it's unfair to be not let in the army just because of sexual p...

Dude I'm just waiting for zer0cool to say that since homosexuals are a...

I highly doubt it too, but can't anyone see the fact that everyone isn...

I can see your point.

It's preserving close-mindedness.

Run Don't Walk, pretty much this.

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