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Posted at July 30, 2014, 5:21 pm:

Where do you stand? Why?
(I would post links and info but this is too well known
Edit:
http://usliberals.about.com/od/stemcellresearch/i/StemCell1.ht
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

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Replies:

sure why not.

I'm for it.

If abortion is legal, why can't stem cell research be promoted? Lif...

I am for it

I'm for it.

The research has such huge potential that NOT doing it would be worse.

I think the bigger issue is that we are playing god and endangering re...

Religious Beliefs should in no way prohibit scientific (especially med...

If God didn't want us to develop technolgy he shouldn't have given us ...

I'm all for it.

To many people, we're already playing God with abortion and practices ...

It's a test of faith some would say.

well, if we aren't supposed to "test god" why can he test us...

Well, it all started when God failed a math test.

quit using questions strategically to fill out your paper's requiremen...

I'm for it.

Well, then I choose to be "unfaithfull" and use our God-give...

The church needs to stop trying to intrude in science.

A test of who's faith.

It takes some kind of stupid to be against stem cell research.

yeah but life begins at CONCEPTION!

Remember, this is the same god who issued ten plagues on Egypt and mad...

Science has already disproven the existence of God, basically.

there are actually a few christians who are extremely intelligent and ...

Quite true.

Because in society, there exists a "moral majority" that hol...

stupid

I'd say they're more of a vocal minority who arrogantly try to mandate...

For the record, I'm atheist, I'm just generating discussion

god will not let you all into the next ark when the new floods happen ...

God's a puss.

I'm for it.

oic Me too.

you are just digging a hole of your own pitiful sin

My sin is much bigger than yours.

i know and you will burn in hell

http://usliberals.

In that first article it sounds like ol' Dubya is trying to have his c...

that makes you happy that other people are going to burn in hell? you ...

I'm for it, and I believe in a higher power, call it God, Allah, Buddh...

Eh, I'm prolly one the of few believers in Christ that are pro stem ce...

Elaborate? -You don't consider it playing god? -Where do you believe...

i think the problem that people have is the embryos come from aborted ...

Yes, and a right-wing argument may read something like this: -"E...

1) I don't think humans could ever play God , we could try to do what...

I believe that life begins at first breath.

So, when you're sensory perceptions take shape and you begin to feel p...

we could start farming stem cells.

Haha.

I'm for it.

This is one more reason why organized religion should be abolished.

Stem cell cloning.

Yes, how do you feel about this? Ethical?

Who do I feel about it? The problem is that it goes back to the first ...

how come so much posting about the singularity lately? also, nanotech...

So you're for it? Or are you saying that there will be a slippery slo...

apparently a gigantic leap in science that teaches how to live forever...

I think the slippery slope refers to therapeutic cloning quickly decli...

nanotech is already actively being researched and being used in some m...

http://en.

That's because you don't really understand what is about.

We have the technology.

That is one philosophy.

I think there is an extreme lack of religious fervor here! So I'm goin...

The trouble with religious fervor is that I usually just counter it wi...

1.

yes, or using the stem cells from umbilical cord blood etc

No.

I'm not for cloning, not for religous reasons, but just for moral reas...

Hah, how do you know so much about stem cell research? And are there ...

I read newspapers.

all slippery slope arguments are false dichotomies

What are the basic and best arguments Right-wingers have?

I have a question: Let's say somebody was against stem cell researc...

Chances are if stem cell research was allowed, cancer patient has a hi...

I think it would be amusing to watch the right-winger's heads explode ...

In most cases, neither are the embryonic stem cells.

Cloning humans isn't necessary.

I never said it was.

Maybe with a democratic president, but for now Bush (who supports stem...

well cloning initself is wrong, because you are "playing God.

This isn't a priest or Catholic doing the cloning.

Hahahah, silly humans.

I support stem-cell research.

So do I.

Just my point is: People that do not support stem-cell research, woul...

We can go so far as to say that every time you ejaculate you kill 40 m...

It's not murder because there is no egg.

Finally a stem cell thread.

Link to the bill please?

If it's not self-aware I don't care about it.

http://www.

What a stupid thing to say.

Exactly, Why should president bush get to determine what's moral or no...

Yeah that's dumb I wasn't aware he just veto'd that bill.

http://gregulus.

If it could yield things of great medical use then I'm all for it.

Yeah, which is why you should not have fundamentalist christians in ch...

Federal funding is crucial to medical research.

It already is.

Hey majority voted for him haha.

There is Federal funding, just not enough.

I never mentioned foetuses.

embryo's are not fetuses and do not have heartbeats.

You were an embryo sir.

What's your point?

You responded to my comment about "fetal farming", so I assu...

Embryos do not have a heartbeat, but they are capable of developing on...

Yeah, they are capable of developing one.

Religion would hold that the embryo has a soul, and you would be killi...

Too bad I don't feel as though embryo's and fetus are the same thing.

Well determinism is brought into the equation, by destroying an embryo...

Ok, well let's look at it this way.

Not a soul, but human potential and in some cases humanity itself.

If it's human, it's alive.

Megaphony, get out of church and get into science class.

Say you were an embryo created for the sole purpose of becoming a huma...

You're the one saying something isn't alive if it doesn't have a heart...

again, not to bring back my embryo vs fetus argument but.

Transitive property.

Embryo: In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantatio...

Embryo: In organisms that reproduce sexually, once a sperm fertilizes...

I'm a little confused about the process: -Embryos are what you wro...

Oh my god.

Wait that was a stupid quesion? Trying to get the terms right.

As far as I know, they don't use abortions.

Embryos are FAR more unspecialized than those in a fetus.

As far as I know, aborted fetus tissue HAS been used.

I like to debate it MAY or may not have been used but the point is...

is a tadpole a frog? i don't think so.

The question is more along the lines of: Was this frog a tadpole?

I don't give a shiny shite if it's alive.

Self-aware speaking along the lines of.

the question isn't more along the lines of that.

Lumps of coal and pumpkin seeds are never capable of logical thought.

neither is an embryo.

Senile people are self-aware.

that's what I was trying to tell him, but you were alot better at it.

They wouldn't be self-aware without their medication.

Okay, diamonds and pumpkins aren't.

that's a pretty stupid thought to have

Senile people would be self-aware without medication, yes.

Yea, that was.

It's hard to get through to that guy, you call him a moron and he goes...

I'd argue that.

You mean you'd argue it as I would, or you'd argue against that? Becau...

go to talk to one

I've already told you I'm pro stem-cell so I can't put up much of a fi...

Ever seen someone with the most severe kind of autism? You can't.

How would you define self aware?

Awareness of one's existence.

"Princeton University's Bioethics Professor Peter Singer has been...

you can't see them?

Clarified?

I don't see how this is relevant to the discussion in any way, shape o...

Relevant?

I give up on you Megaphony.

Where are your arguments?

No.

Then I just wasted a lot of time

but this thread is about stem cells, not abortion or euthanasia.

Well, yes, you're entire argument so far has been a monumental failure...

No, I just successfully argued the massive difference between an embry...

Seeing as I'm pro stem-cell, I have no problem admitting intellectual ...

Not really, you said let's experiment on things that aren't self-aware...

Well arguing the definition of "human life" is silly.

World's biggest strawman!

Show me the fallacy?

No, that's not how big-boy discussions work.

No, I'm asking you to show me where my fallacy lies.

Erm no.

Your logic was: - Embryos are not self-aware - Not self aware = expe...

No it wasn't.

Okay, it is a strawman Restate your logic for me then.

This thread is growing fast.

Yea, I was rambling on for a bunch of those.

If it's not self-aware then it's okay to test on it or euthanise it.

That's what I was trying to do to stimulate arguments, because most pe...

I'm all for experimenting on LittlePound.

Ahahahaha, as long as it's not me.

Well I appreciate the effort involved in arguing the opposite side to ...

Gregulus, I can't quote you for some reason.

Actually you can get paid pretty well for doing clinical trials.

It has to do with bone marrow doesn't it? Heard that can be brutally ...

All drugs have to be tested on "informed volunteers" before ...

Heh, I'd rather fry hamburgers than my brain.

It's all pretty safe.

Wow this thread ballooned quick.

Abortions are legal, and that consists of sucking out developed fetuse...

Its only a matter of time before this happens.

You won't even need a Democrat in the White House, you'll just need a ...

what's wrong with experimenting on an infant?

Self-awareness isn't a qualifying factor of life.

humans > cattle

only becuase we're selfish speciests

True.

and only if they had those goddamn opposable thumbs!

Would you like to bring up any contributions that cows have made to so...

Ok let me rephrase so there is no question: would you experiment on a ...

To our society? Or to the society of cows? Also, the cows that run ...

Have any cows ever made a voluntary and lasting contribution to societ...

we all are, becuase to us humanity is the main species that matters, w...

Okay then.

haha okay mr.

Small human embryo < cattle

A few days back on the Colbert Report, he had a stem cell guy on for a...

He's misinformed.

um what earth-shattering breakthrough in psychology have you made to d...

What point are you trying to make?

infants are not self aware

It feels pain? Though really I don't know if there is much difference...

what's wrong with feeling pain?

people get all sympathetic when they think their fellow human is "...

No pain no gain brother.

babies aren't really people

which is why they'd be sorely mistaken to feel sorry for these little ...

which makes them no different from embryos if you're talking about sel...

Spermatozoa are potential people.

they only contribute half the genetic information.

No, strictly speaking, they could potentially fertilize an egg and bec...

Pain and awareness is the deciding factor for the justification of ste...

That's like saying every time you jack it you're murdering babies.

sure why not? it's not hurting them is it?

But you don't know that.

What mother doesn't know won't hurt her.

what? no.

Can we agree that potential carries varying degrees with it? So it may...

there will always be babies.

lol go ask your psychiatrist

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but it's worth a go.

no they have no souls it would ok to kill them

Not conventional righty thinking, but ok.

i'd be shocked if you found one of those crazy christians who didn't t...

Well Bladepaladin thinks it's not right to kill clones.

liar

No seriously.

but only because she has a soul

Clones have souls.

twins were created by god clones were created by some guy in a labora...

What about advanced robots that have emotions and feel pain, do they h...

Well.

no but their makers should be struck dead

I can't wait til these robots are made

yea lol, it'll be like the matrix or summat lol IT"S REAL>

The whole issue of the soul is really kind of mind boggling when you t...

Ive pretty much been for stem cell reasearch, and i don't beleive it i...

I want to say that only bible-thumping morons would find stem-cell res...

good job with that

Even my mom, a fairly strict Catholic is very in favor of it.

Haha, just got this nationstates issue, I think I went with the right ...

Yes, of course it does.

Haha, such a fast growing thread suddenly dies.

i assume this is sarcasm?

Haha, I think he meant it.

By that standard, testing on a 5 month old infant is fine, since a fiv...

That's what I've mentioned before.

i see no problem with that.

Ok then.

How can you be not opposed to it while being opposed to abortion?

We're dealing with existing embryo's that wouldn't be used otherwise (...

Abortion has positive outcomes.

It all comes down to this: You believe that life is always worth savin...

Well yeah I just hate the idea of prejudging a person's life based on ...

Can't a mother get a pretty good idea of that person's life from her p...

Isn't that better than having the life exterminated?

The crunch comes here: I don't believe it is.

But then you're sacrificing great people.

You don't know what they could have become.

What's so bad about orphanages? And, why not just better fund them, if...

But you're ignoring the mother in this situation.

123

Is there a point to all this? Killing 5 month year old babies is fine ...

Even as devils advocate, you make a good point.

Would you personally conduct the tests yourself?

hell no lab monkeys don't get paid anywhere near enough

I think I smell a troll.

only if they gave me a mallet to have a little fun with afterwards

It would appear so, but Tway often makes unconventional points.

yeah but they still let you post here anyway huh

Ooh, clever.

I don't understand are you still trying to troll me

No no, I don't believe in capital punishment.

but i do lemme throw the switch

How interesting.

of course euthanasia is ok you damn jackass

How is it okay? the damn jackass thing wasn't really necessary

Haha you're feeding the troll banana splits.

How is it not okay?

You have to at least understand where someone who is against it is com...

Yes but I'd expect even a religious fundamentalist on this forum to se...

Who hear is a religous fundamentalist? I suspose any reasonable person...

I think it is wrong for the same reason I think suicide is wrong: it ...

Why couldn't she go through labor? I support giving a choice to women ...

What if they took every precaution to not get pregnant? Like using al...

touché

The arguement of how its killing potential human life cracks me up.

Rapes represent at most 2% of abortions and using the proper technique...

Omega, what is your opinion on the morning after pill (plan B)?

um abortion is fine guys, stop arguing about it.

Not in favor of it, not just because it is an abortion at the earliest...

Huh? I don't know that's really over-protecting people, I say yes to ...

Technically it's not abortion, since you need to be pregnant to have a...

Touche.

The purpose of the morning after pill is to prevent ovulation and/or f...

Medically speaking, pregnancy occurs at the point of gastrulation.

No there are specific references in the bible that point to the creati...

You're still dealing with interfering with a process that has already ...

chemotherapy interferes with a process that has already begun

That's to save a life instead of haulting one

using a condom interferes with a process thats already begun or are y...

so?

I'm against premarital sex altogether But I don't wish to ban birth c...

sometimes one is desirable and sometimes it's the other I don't see t...

I guess we're talking about different processes.

Once again though, rehab interrupts a harmful, negative process, where...

But rehab or any other thing you do in life is just as much a part of ...

Not as harmful as the abortion is to the child.

Assuming that it IS a child.

Since when is this a thread about abortion? Stem cell research: I...

Abortion is very related to the topic of stem cell research.

I guess a little, but talking about abortion opens up a whole greater ...

it's pretty reasonable to talk about abortion in a thread that is abou...

umbilical cords can be used as well, so it isnt necesary for abortion ...

Chord stem cells are more differentiated than embryonic stem cells.

I'm in favor of legal abortions.

You're talking about a human life, and giving women the 'right' to ext...

It's not a human life because it's not alive.

But we're not talking about life and death situations here, we're talk...

He failed engineering too.

Minor complaint against the overwhelming evidence for intelligent desi...

There's not any evidence for intelligent design.

Well, besides the Gravitational coupling constant, Strong nuclear forc...

Well see, the way evidence works is it actually proves something speci...

Take the strong nuclear force coupling constant: if larger, there's no...

Not really.

This is either a misunderstanding of the term "overwhelming"...

embryos don't require an abortion either.

The user Auberge le Mouton Noir (formerly Moaner) made a great point a...

Or even less probable that none would occur at all, which only works a...

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