Posted at October 6, 2005, 2:04 pm:
*[Disclaimer]* I feel like such a pompous ass to post something this "ambitious" and where it makes me seem like I "know" what I'm talking about, it's taken some balls to actually post it so I hope it does well. Don't think me altruistic however, a major motivation is to learn from you guys (selfish greed by any other name!). So, if it sinks don't rub it in .
Feedback is vital here ! Speak your mind !
The Idea:
I'm a big fan of the The New Media Coloring Book (Thanks Sammy!); I've used it for almost two years now as quick dirty practice, not just of color but of technique, speed, value, everything overall really. I really can't tell you how vital it has been. I came up with this idea with the help of some other members not to be a replacement for the Coloring Book but as an addendum. (Perhaps like a foundation class to help you on the fun stuff? )
So. this thread is here to educate ourselves, it will go something like this: Edited: Updated Guidelines
A: The projects will be set-up with a goal in mind, specific or loose depending on the general idea and lesson in mind.
B: Do the project and create a dialogue of what you did and why. (Try and think about this while you do the project, this is important; we will be better able to learn from each other as well as catch each other's mistakes.)
C: The Dialogue will be analysed by your peers; (Right or wrong, the idea is to have a reason why and explain it. I think this will be key )
D: And of course at the same time peer critiques will be offered. (Pretty simple no?)
E: You shouldn't have to spend a large amount of time on this however spend as much time as you need, give it your best.
F. All Projects/Exercises are of course optional, have no order, and are always open to participation. Start wherever and whenever you want!
G. People who are too embarassed to post their results will be shot on sight, you're here to learn not to show off.
Feel free to make suggestions!
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Now this in mind, even though I'm the so called "Creator" of this thread:
I am not a teacher, and I am not qualified to be the teacher. We will all be the "teachers" and the students. I would however like to be the "Supervisor" until the thread gets its roots. I'm going to start it off with some really simple exercises and would like to see others contribute exercises after it gets off the ground.
For now if you would like to contribute an exercise, could you run the exercise by me with a PM before you post it?
I think we'd all love if it some of you Professionals could stop by as well, tell us what we've been doing right and wrong.
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I strongly recommend you read the discussions and analyses within others posts that are between exercises. I see a lot of the same advice being repeated. Read through this for your sake; I mean don't you want to learn faster?
This being said, sometimes advice or critiques will be given that may be incorrect, or misconceptions; I most likely am not innocent of this either. If you spot mistakes be sure and correct them! Don't confuse these with opinions however, which are never wrong only different.
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Some Basics and Definitions:
These are just so we are all on the same page here, I think a unified vocabulary will help with clearer critiques and dialogue. Besides that, these are things I didn't know at one time so perhaps they will be helpful to some?
Value: The amount of light (brightness) or lack of light (darkness).
Synomyms: Brightness
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Intensity: How strong or pure a hue is; no tints (adding white) or shades (adding black or complement).
[The first bar is "Red" at 50% value from 0% to 100% Intensity][The second bar is "Blue" at 80% (White) Value from 0% to 100% Intensity]
Synomyms: Saturation
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Hue: Umm, its a visual thing just look. Edit: There are (millions) of colors in between.
[Left to Right: Yellow, Yellow Orange, Orange, Red Orange, Red, Red Violet, Violet, Blue Violet, Blue, Blue Green, Green, Yellow Green]
(All colors are approximate and not perfect!)
Synomyms: Color (Misnomer!)
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Color: The combination of all three; value intensity and hue, creates a color.
I.e.: This SkyBlue (BBCode) is approximately: a 43% Intense 92% Value (100% is White) 197 degree blue cyan. (Numbers and Degree from PS).
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Make sure and correct me if I got something wrong, and please suggest changes or clarifications!
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Some things to read to educate yourself:
An overview of: Value, Hue and Intensity; Color Wheels and History; Some other basic Design information. (Just a quick link I found)
http://char.txa.cornell.edu/language...olor/color.htm
Prometheus|ANJ's excellent "Art Tutorial" (This is awesome!)
http://itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm
More than you ever wanted to know about light (Amazing)
http://science.howstuffworks.com/light.htm
FredFlickstone: Interesting post on Warm and Cool Lighting (Actually, I haven't got it all figured out...)
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...&postcount=373
Color Relativity/Perception (Seriously this will amaze you!)
http://www.echalk.co.uk/amusements/O...erception.html
A Primer on Design (Good Stuff!)
http://www.mundidesign.com/presentation/index2.html
In Depth on Colors, Design Based
http://poynterextra.org/cp/colorproject/color.html
On Contrasts, Design Based
http://www.poynter.org/content/conte...=38564&custom=
Another Color Overview
http://www.webwhirlers.com/colors/coloursphysics.asp
Feel free to suggest other great links relating to what we are doing!
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Project #1- -Project #2 - -Project #3- - Project #4- -Experiment #1-
Project #5- -Project #6- -Project #7
Color Wheels and Color Theory + Vital Links
More Color Theory
A Post by briggsy@ashtons on proper spheres, and Jaffas
These are just direct links to the post, be sure and read in between if you have time; lots of great little tidbits hidden in there!
Original of the message was taken from http://www.conceptart.org/forums/
Replies:*Think of a better name for this thread if you can.
teach us more sir
(sarcasm not intended)
My images are below.
Ditto, now do the exercise
@FrontlinePs.
Idiot Apathy:
It actually seems like we made a simmilar error.
Hello all,
I think this thread is a fantastic idea and should be ma...
@romance :
Isn't it amazing how much we didn't used to know? Sometime...
*Still need a better thread name I say, any ideas?
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I'm at a bit of a loss as to what we should do next, is there anything...
how about lighting on complex surfaces, such as a figure.
Hmm, I'll start thinking about how to fit those ideas into an exercise...
Here be mine.
I´d definetly like to join in on this.
@romance: damn, put me to shame why don't ya.
Idiot Apathy: Here's the light and shadow guides.
Wow so you understood some of that jibberjabber I labeled theory? Swee...
Idiot Apathy: When you talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk
G...
Ahhhh I see, that's what I thought of when I considered what might cau...
ok, here's my old one with fixed lighting.
Yeah looks good dude, I wasn't so sure if light reflected off a shadow...
Added new link to top:
More than you ever wanted to know about light ...
Heres a quick one with a different light source.
@Romance: Looking good dude, I don't know about the amost pure black b...
Project #3:
Various Lighting on the Same Object.
Going to post my results just so there won't be any confusion.
Idiot Apathy, I think this is a wonderful idea for a thread and soon I...
Cool dude, I appreciate the enthusiasm, beginning to wonder if this th...
Well, I decided to draw along, after having quite some fun in finding ...
Looks like an interesting project.
@Sirithduriel: Looking good ! I like how the shadow works on the first...
[*Disclaimer*] This is from my head, I'm still learning so it's far fr...
This color stuff is great, thanks Idiot Apathy.
**Attention! These Activities have NO due date, they are meant to be d...
Idiot Apathy > Thanks for the comments! I think less shine would in...
Some More on The Subtractive Color Theory:
With Primary Hues you are...
@Sirithduriel: Thanks, it's great to know that a few people are gett...
Yes, the lack of activity is from exams but heres the stuff I forgot ...
I've been meaning to post this, but work has me super busy.
@Rebecca : I hope your photobucket account resets soon.
A Horrible Quickie Primer on Additive Color Theory Before the Next Pro...
Project #4:
Basic Reflected Lighting.
@Everyone and Anyone: Seems this thread is dead or dieing.
Please stickify this one! great stuff, will start grinding these right...
Thanks for the support Aether, hope to see some stuff soon!
I quick...
hey idiotapathy,
you´re doing a gread job here, your engagement is...
I'll give it a try later.
Hey, men, very useful!
Great job! Keep on moving!!!
Hmm, thanks for the support guys, Really appreciated.
I may join this tomorrow (today - 0216) or in the future; when I awak...
I'm still catching up here.
Boy is it ever! Sorry I forgot to reply until now, this thread must be...
oh my god, I´m such a newbie in colors
tried the value/color thing...
Thanks for joining in Darkside; your spheres look great.
Nope, first time I've tried this exercise before.
New spheres look great Zoeli, you know where you missed the value a bi...
my choice would have been:
a: magenta b: green cyan c: blue magenta d...
Hey guys this is a fantastic thread! I started with the first exercis...
remind me again why I am paying out the ass to go to design school whe...
Idiot, i'm back and good to go, hopefully beable to post some stuff in...
@Romance: Sweet, was beginning to worry about you .
its actually a fallacy of converting to grayscale, if you desaturate t...
idiot apathy - Yeah exactly! The vibrating thing.
wow, i never really paid much attention, didnt know this was here.
@apathy: I'm at DAAP at University of Cincinnati, we've done almost al...
Ooo, thread seems lively today!
What should we focus on for the next ...
Experiment #1:
Warm and Cool Light In Warm and Cool Enviroments.
Good to see loads of posts here recently.
Hey, thanks for the reference; a quick skim through and it seems prett...
@xxEnder: Cool, hope to see you soon!
@Zoeli: Very very nice on the b...
Yeah I started with the midtone.
Hey guys.
hey man, lots of very helpful information here, i didn't knew this thr...
just found this thread.
Very cool thread.
Great idea for a thread and I hope to get all the projects finished so...
Wow, I am really really pleased with the response and activity in here...
Well, as I had a big lack of value comprehension I jumped into this th...
Idiot Apathy: Oh yes!! I now see what your talking about and love you...
Allright, the 2nd exercise: the milk jar.
Red ball on yellow paper:
Paper absorbs Blue, reflects Red + Green ...
@tayete: Welcome to the thread, hope you stick around ! Good results f...
Here is my stab at Project 1:
It was exciting to do this once again ...
I hope I didn't come off as trying to be anything but helpful.
I'm going to try and get another exercise/experiment up around Saturda...
Well, I'm sure your way is much easier! I confuse myself sometimes the...
Let me ask you something then, what colors exactly are in the visual s...
That type of tablet is only 90$? Do you know where online I could get ...
Not sure where you live but yeah most big electronic's stores should h...
tayete: Nice work on the jar project.
If it's not named on the visible spectrum, that just means there's not...
I must have gone right past this thread five or six times the last few...
Exercise 2:
The first problem I had was figuring out the cast shado...
Kitsu: I really like the box idea of rendering a model to check the sh...
Actually.
I lied, ran out of time today; should have an exercise up tomorrow tho...
Idiot: You're right.
Idiot Apathy, cheers for running this, perfect thing I was looking for...
Project #5:
Warm and Cool Colors with Aerial Perspective Etc.
~Ooo cool, Bumskee's in here too!~ You have a great sketchbook and ...
Idiot Apathy, you are too nice dude.
I've been reading this thread for awhile now.
First I want to thank Idiot Apathy and MattGamer for their comments!
M...
jubilee, nice going dude.
Okay, project 3!
This is the ref I used:
This object looked cool...
Shadows and details perhaps?
Sorry no contribution here.
Hey man! THanks for doing this for every one!!! ima join in.
@Bumskee: Nah, your being modest; there is plenty we can learn from yo...
you can tell i've been in hell - that's the only reason i haven't seen...
in fact i wonder if the excercise with the balls would no twork better...
Thanks for the feedback Apathy! I understand exactly what you mean by...
Well.
Woot! Hats off to Oblio, thanks for the sticky man!
@Oblio: Thanks ...
Wow - thanks for the comments.
@Oblio: I hear ya man, just keep it up you'll figure it out.
Ok, did the blocks again, just to have some fun:
Tried out some of ...
Idiot Apathy, definitely agree with values being more important! I gu...
@Bumskee: Bengal is just plain king of colors, he's one of the reasons...
i need to re-do this with more colored cubes.
subscribing to this thread thanks to sir rob (aka romance).
ok.
Hey guys, this thread is really great!
Thanks Idiot Apathy for puttin...
Wow, I am constantly humbled by some of the great artists I've seen an...
Project #6: Color Matching
People having grief with exercise #1 gav...
bloody fantastic.
I wanted to post yesterday, but work was crazy.
Idiot Apathy, thank you very much for the warm welcome! You are too fl...
@Bumskee: Thought you might like this next one .
Idiot apathy, that exercise looks heaps fun!! let me do the block, th...
Newb here.
Thank you guys so much.
@Bumskee: Thanks for your encouragement and enthusiasm man! New sphere...
hey Idiot apathy, the little thing in the middle? no idea, thought it ...
Aww damn, your embarassing me , "Hope I get there one day", ...
bRØk3n_sPiRiT:Project two look good, I'm not seeing much bounce light ...
@Kitsu: I thought a plane was flat by definition? Hehe, I see what you...
Thanks! Tons of useful information again.
So then it seems to me this would be more apparent with artifical ligh...
Yeah, it got quiet in here again.
Everyone: Slackers! Where the hell are ya? Tell me what's up, if there...
Project #7: Value
More and more I'm believing that value is the mo...
To give you an idea of just how simple it can be and just how much tim...
eek the pressure! bleah i'm falling even further behind I swear I'll ...
Well this is my first go at this kind of stuff i went thought the firs...
Nice dude! As for just messing around; that's what we do man, mess aro...
Apathy:Thanks a lot for the paint over.
ok, so this is a start at least, i had a go at the first exercise and ...
BLAAAAHHH!!!!!
i don't know why i did this, but this is entierly do...
I am definitely going to start doing these exercises.
Kronos:Your spheres look good, you have a very complete range of value...
Yo! I know some of you "feel" behind but it's been a little ...
thanks! I have a tablet, I just don't bring it to work with me.
Haha, you should totally see if you can get away with bringing a table...
All right, since I just got a tablet I thought I'd give this a try.
I started by converting the image to grayscale so I'd have a better id...
I think the shadows coming out from between the blocks should be angle...
First project, others on the way!
Ignore the white spot, that was a...
Sorry for the late reply.
@Number_6: Looking good; you've got a nice curve with the saturation r...
Well see- I meant to put the white spots on BOTH of them, but it's onl...
Idiot Apathy: I just found this thread and quickly skimmed through it.
@Pixeldragoon: Yeah I figured, just giving ya crap.
lots of spheres and blocks, just checking in, I had a great help from ...
That's pretty much how I did mine, only my parabola was horizontal cau...
Mine was more of a half parable, going from the far bottom right, curv...
I thought about that in the beginning.
omg so much awesome updates! can't wait to get back into this stuff a...
Where's the new additions you lazy bums?
Whats uh.
The shape Naav outlined above.
Yeppers.
Pixeldragoon's parable asked his father for his inheritance early, the...
Still some good stuff going on here! I'd like to see some people get ...
Yeah, still don't get the parabola thing; can it change shape or is it...
Yeah, I didn't mean that it works everywhere, I just noticed it to be ...
Finally I get around to posting on this great thread! I usually paint ...
@briggsy@ashtons: Your late and lame debut is much appreciated, really...
Briggsy:Welcome and thanks for the info! I like the way you're not ju...
Idiot (mm, that doesn't sound right)
Thanks so much for your quick ...
Maybe, but are you sure? Try holding up a glossy sphere or cylinder (a...
Please excuse me for my very.
briggsy@ashtons: Thanks for taking the time to reply, I'm sure you mus...
Thank you very much, Idiot Apathy.
I think they look pretty good man, your right they do look fairly meta...
Hahaha.
Diabolic:Looking really good! The values in your first exercise are v...
Fantastic resource Idiot Apathy! I finally got around to trying one of...
parabola - can be used to describe the frequency of occurance (or use)...
I decided to take part in this thread.
wow, i just got finished reading the first page.
I tried again the first excercise.
Wow, sorry for my recent absence guys.
How do most of you guys attain that 'brushstroke' feel with your work?...
Well, a lot of us use Corel Painter; it's a little easier to get your ...
Here's my try at the two first.
Hi Idiot Apathy! Time for some more briggsy colour fun!
Careful...
Sweet, always up for some more briggsy color fun! Look forward to it ...
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Ok, a topic to get us rolling; it's a bit o...
So many questions!!! i guess i'll just ask one to begin with.
Utah, hmmm.
Very cool Idea Apathy! This should make it a lot easier to keep this ...
True.
I haven't got much time right now, headed off to work in a minute.
I decided to give this ago.
Azrael:Your values are matching very well and your spheres look sphere...
Everyone do not forget that everything is reflective to some degree.
I just started coloring with photoshop this week so go easy.
Hey.
ChrisMayernikThanks! Those are all very good points.
Well.
I made this for Pennington but I was hoping it would be somewhat usefu...
Wow, what a great thread.
well i finally got around to doing one of these.
Thanks for the tips Idiot Apathy! I'm trying to study up on some of th...
EDIT: I didn't read directions correctly, so I took down my post.
Okay, I got it done now.
Cup of Joe:Nice to see you doing a few more of these.
Kitsu: Thanks for the feedback, I see what your talking about.
Splutty1
I might possibly be the "someone" kitsu mentione...
well.
uRiDiAN:Great job on this one! Looks like you got what the exercise w...
Kitsu thanks! and you are absolutely correct.
I think it's important to remember that anything and everything that y...
Idiot Apathy: ah.
Wow! those lighting studies look really good, the only problems I see ...
Kitsu you're right about the funky ellipses.
I spent a little time thinking about speculars this weekend.
Kitsu
Great work on the notes and movie.
Great thread, amazing entries!
And here's my submittion Started from...
Ramzes, it also helps to check your accuracy by desaturating your pic ...
Uwaaaa! Sorry guys; I feel I've been so neglegent lately.
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll probably redo #2 with a darker ground...
I forgot how much I love this thread! Wooo.
This thread is an awesome idea, I'm new to the forum, does anybody kno...
I wish mate, I couldn't find much else out there like this.
MysteryKing - What's stopping you from attempting some of the activiti...
Idiot Apathy thanks for the official welcome.
Idiot Apathy : Hey mate.
Thanks Chris, very helpful!
Nobody posts recently here .
Hmm, give me a day or two and I'll write up a simple shadow in perspec...
heartbeat.
uRiDiAN, your a stud.
Finally set aside some time for this! I re-did Project two and strted ...
@Everyone: Sorry that I've been so neglectful of this thread lately, b...
That's fantastic thread.
@Everyone: Keep an open mind on color and what I've said and possibly ...
Thanks for taking the time to respond Idiot Apathy!
I re-did project ...
Nice, good to see you thinking about it man.
Hi guys, just got time for a quick thought about question 3 (must.
Wow! Thanks for the replies Briggsy and Idiot apathy! Got some real wo...
I had an idea today, and decided to post it here.
@Everyone: See the post above? If your experimenting with anything! AN...
Added this to the main page; be sure to check em out.
@Cup of Joe:
#1: Looking better mate! #2: Nice, you did it perfectly ...
Well I've finally got in to posting my stuff.
Glad to see this thread getting some new people! I'm still pretty new ...
Keep up the work everyone! Nice words from Chris and Idiot.
@Everyone! : Read this post! Should help with sphere construction.
Cup 'o and Idiot Ap.
Trying to learn a little about color, I have a hard time with the colo...
Bhud- Nice! It still looks a little lighter than the original, but it ...
Idiot Apathy
awesome thread dude i love it!!!,
i just found i...
@bhud: Looks pretty good dude, I want to stress that tracing isn't bad...
Ok ill chip in wiht some comments later, I just found this place and
...
Cup o Joe - Thanks for your input, it's very appreciated! All that stu...
hi there
coming in a bit too late ( the thread is seeminly dead)
b...
Idiot Apathy: Thanks for the crits dude.
Two things:
1.
Excellent, excellent thread.
I've got two attempts here for the first exercise.
well I've been trying to challenge my understanding of form.
Yes! This thread will never die!
Message to EVERYONE- Read everyones ...
Im trying to understand form better by merging primitives together.
Right, sorry guys - been neglecting you all again.
I don't mind at all man! It's the only way I'll get better!
I know I'...
Seriously! Ewww.
Hello everyone, I'm glad to be joining in.
Good thinking! Value is always the most important, because you can des...
Thanks Joe.
Well here are my circles.
@kratos:
Nice sphere, I like it.
This thread makes my pants happy.
Stillwell(#1)- Not bad! A little closer.
First I'd like to say, great thread! I have already learned so much fr...
Thanks Joe.
didnt follow the assignment too well, used different hues in the color...
Sorry bump iwth a uselesspost; But I can't believe I said that.
Okay.
Okay.
Good job le-mec, one of the better versions of this exercise I've seen...
@Everyone: This project takes up quite a large amount of time, perhaps...
I guess I shouldn't call it CIE since CIE is just the acronym(Commissi...
I thought I'd try these out for fun Just really quick --
I painted ...
Okies time for me to join as I feel like my understanding of colour an...
Oh that's very good on the blocks dischord -- but on the spheres make ...
But greyscale makes the grey a different grey?
Yes, it does, although I would convert to grey scale instead of desatu...
Okay thanks! However, the differences I noticed between desaturation a...
I'd say it would reflect white light, raising value and saturation, bu...
Oh yeah, The blocks must definitely change value and not colour when l...
ok.
Hi everyone,
Great thread, nice to have some thought bent this way.
Nice man, good stuff.
Always good to hear from a satisfied customer, Mr Bunyin! (Miss? Sir? ...
Heya folks!
I've been reading through this great thread (thank you ...
Lets try this
Saturation is the amount of pigment in a medium - i.
Nice kitsu, good job!
I think perhaps your wording for hue may be a...
Started work on Peer Project Vol.
That is great !This place will be active again .
Sounds great! No suggestions yet, but I'll tell you if I come up with ...
That would be awesome im really interested in it.
Apathy: Great! I haven't come up with any exercises yet, but I think ...
-Heartbeat: great, I expect to see you there
-cup of joe: I'll make a...
hi.
Heda- Check out Bumskess- Painting in PS linked on the first page of t...
Thanks Loads!!
I notice that Kitsu's diagram nicely illustrates the respective distin...
Thanks for posting Briggsy! Very informative.
Great post Briggsy.
interesting stuff in here.
Very much enjoying this thread, learning quite a bit, and having to ch...
@_@ Intense stuff, thank you frumpy_bunyin.
More coming soon but I'll just deal quickly with this one:
No i...
Firstly I should apologise, otherwise I’ll never be able to do o...
Now, sounds to me that:
Brightness measures the strength of the RGB p...
It seems to me that you are trying to mix all the theories into one, a...
Hmm, even if that was the case, not sure it is or isn't but - who's to...
I didnt mean to not to learn all the theories, i meant that you should...
Sorry, don't mean to make an issue out of this or anything I'm just s...
empty post
Weeeeeeeell, look, this smiley demostrates how i feel and this one ...
Hehe, sorry man - didn't mean to or you!
We were just discussing...
I hope my post wasn't aggressive.
I didnt know your intentions, and that changes everything, i would hav...
I found this really helpful:
HSV (hue, saturation, value), also known...
I'm hoping that most of the questions and objections that have come up...
Wow, thanks Mr.
thats a great post! Now I think this is showing us the big picture of ...
Mr Apathy
1.
I already knew that.
Ha! Dr.
It's great to be here Zaknafain.
Ah thanks - that was bugging me haha.
Poynton's FAQ is a goldmine of technical information, but be careful a...
all of this talk totaly defeats my brain.
Hehehe - Sirkenneth, I'm not entirely sure.
The important thing to realize, as far as my own recent contributions ...
Mr.
I think I've already given an opinion on your first question:
A...
Ah sorry, that first question was just something hard to grasp - prett...
My vote would be for the second option please Briggsy.
Thanks, IA.
True - there was a time I was deeply in love with painter After all, ...
This is such a great thread! I decided to help myself and join in the ...
The first balls (which are actually shown on the bottom) turned out to...
I did two tries on one of the excercises.
That's the one! It makes me want to take all of December off and go b...
I'm finding it pretty hard to wrap my head around this whole value thi...
Hi all,
I'm going to be joining in with this now, hope it's not too l...
argh still to dark
This makes me wonder why I hadn't joined CA such a long time ago.
Quick render:
My version:
The yellow block dimension got...
Sorry for not being active here guys - I've been busy and uhh out of s...
I am new in painting
Fist exercise:
The second exercise no training...
Hey Gisaiagami;
I'm not exactly keeping up with this thread anymore, ...
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