Topic: Does it bother you when people trace and call it a painting?

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Posted at June 30, 2006, 7:34 pm:

I've just found a guy on Deviant Art who says he paints -- but all he is doing is painting straight over a photo manipulation that suits his composition. He isn't using them for references, it's a straight trace over.

Does this count as painting?


I don't know, to me, it seems like cheating in a HUGE way.

My stuff would look AMAZING if I just traced right over stuff -- but how the heck will you EVER learn to really draw from your imagination if you just trace all the time? Do people even care? He sells his work -- and calls it paintings.

I dunno, but that bugs me. *shrug*

What do you all think?

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We had people like that before, they get horribly bashed and then bann...

He is using stock photos and painting over - I'm asking him about it i...

It was a thread sometime ago.

Anything above obtaining a stick figure or basic proportionality kinda...

They did??!!, Man thatīs a damn big and out of control behemoth then.

You must have a link for this, right?!?!.

I think you probably should have stopped there.

don't worry, I doubt his tracing will have any effect on your progress...

Who gives a shit? At the end of the day, those people have to look in ...

Unfortunately I don't.

Holy Crap.

when you're doing a job, the end justifies the means if you ask me.

Beyond plagiarism these are decisions each artist has to make.

Well.

depending on for what, and how far it goes.

why should a person's process make you like their work any less? I do...

I agree with Dave and Mr Geist there.

oh yea.

Very true.

Straight trace-overs are bad.

There's certainly that part of me that wears gleaming armor, turns dro...

I can think of only two circumstances where tracing is acceptable, esp...

I am SO glad I asked -- because I am really excited to have my mind op...

If you can't draw, you can't trace.

Not so sure about that - I am almost positive I could plunk down a pic...

Everyone can trace, but there's a huge difference between simply traci...

Of course you don't understand it, Grasshopper, it's a koan.

just a little antecdote to add to this discussion.

Don't worry about it, just learn to do it the "right " way f...

oh my god, great example.

Im not sure I understand this statement.

These two statements almost made me cry in happiness.

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he lightboxes photos for his movie posters and makes no secret about i...

I actually hate it a lot more when someone calls a blank canvas a pain...

I only care about the end result, and as long as nothing is stolen, ie...

This is completely true.

I understand about the tracings -- but when you're just using an overl...

Is he doing actual manipulation of the photo? I feel that if ALL he...

As far as I know, which he has explained to me, is that he just paints...

Is there a connection that I don't know of? How can a canceled account...

Personally.

This question is kind of off topic, but do you think that tracing can ...

in my opinion it can help, as long as you don't just trace exclusively...

I think using ref is way more efficient than pure tracing, since you h...

What helps is to draw something freehand (say in Photoshop) and then d...

^^^ I always felt like cheating when I had to fall back on that LOL B...

Well, it's a good way to learn, much better than outright tracing.

i really want to see what your tracings look like.

please, get that idea out of your head

Runecasters: I've had the same thoughts until I picked up a few isssue...

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woah thats sweet, a definant feast for the eye.

Someone asked what my tracings look like - clearly they didn't read th...

no tracing over something - in my opinion is NOT considered a painting...

yep, it doesn't bother me if it looks good.

So by this definition "real" art.

Printer paper + mechanical pencil = awesomeness Designers trace t...

Im sure no one would object to someone retracing a drawing that they ...

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